| posted on 10.4.2016 at 10:57 PM
Wow! read my post in the Lounge forum, then read this Repub b.s. on the V.P. Debate
The two vice-presidential candidates got into a bitter exchange about an excerpt from the speech that launched Donald Trump’s presidential campaign,
in which Trump said that undocumented immigrants from Mexico were “rapists” and “bringing crime.”
“He’s not a polished politician, like you and Hillary Clinton,” said Gov. Mike Pence (Ind.), Trump’s running mate, in the only vice-presidential
debate of the season.
“He is showing you who is he is,” said Sen. Tim Kaine (Va.) a few moments later, saying that Trump’s comments about Mexicans showed his true
“Senator, you whipped out that Mexican thing again,” Pence said. It was, indeed, one of several times that Kaine had brought up that remark – a
calculated effort, playing to Hispanic voters.
“Can you defend it?” Kaine interrupted.
“Look, there are criminal aliens in this country,” Pence said, essentially repeating Trump’s argument that crime brought by immigrants justified a
strong, blunt statement about immigrants as a whole.
Kaine pressed him further, interrupting as he had all Tuesday night.
Okay, gotta stop here. If you read MY report in the Lounge Forum, you'll see that it was PENCE who was "interrupting as he had all Tuesday night!"
I'm not being "partisan," either. Pence did nothing BUT over-talk, loud talk, and interrupt Kaine the the entire night! Kaine
would sit quietly while Pence rambled on (run-on sentences all ova the place! And with different ideas, e.g., talk about the economy in the first part
of the sentence, then talk about Isis, then talk about whateva -- all in ONE sentence!). The minute Kaine began talking, Pence would jump in and start
"denying/LYING" or changing the subject because it was too hot.
“He also said, ‘And many of them are good people,’ and you keep leaving that out of your quote,” Pence said.
This had been the full quote from Trump: “When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best. They’re not sending you. They’re not sending
you. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime.
They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.”
The year’s only vice-presidential debate was an unexpectedly contentious affair, in which Kaine tried — too aggressively at times — to make Pence
defend the unorthodox views of his running mate. Pence seemed far more confident, but he was often reduced to accusing Kaine of lying about what Trump
These "Repubs" are, well, lying Repubs. Pence did NOT seem
more 'confident.' He sat there and lied, evaded, changed the subject, and attacked, attacked, attacked! He seemed like the desperate Trump clone
he's turned out to be.
As for Kaine "trying" to make Pence defend Trumps .... trying is the
correct word. Pence simply evaded, lied, changed the subject and began yet another attack on Hillary. He would not defend any of
Kaine's LEGITIMATE charges, for ex., every POTUS since Nixon has released their taxes. His strategy was clear - evade and lie, then attack with bogus
Btw, do I really have to go into that Mexicans are criminals and rapists b.s. Pence tried to backtrack on and whitewash? Do I? Really? Oh, uh, is that
what a "confident" person does - lie, evade, HOG-wash?
Before that exchange about Trump and Mexicans, the two running mates had traded attacks about the charitable foundations run by Clinton and Trump.
Pence accused Clinton and her husband, former president Bill Clinton, of designing their Clinton Foundation as a way to skirt laws against foreign
governments making political contributions.
“While she was secretary of state, the Clinton foundationaccepted tens of millions of dollars from foreign governments, and foreign donors,” he said.
“The Clintons figured out a way” around the laws, Pence said, while accusing Clinton of showing favoritism toward foundation donors while she was
secretary of state.
Kaine sought to defend the Clinton Foundation by saying that it had done valuable charitable work around the world — and that Clinton herself had been
cleared of any wrongdoing by a State Department inquiry.
"Sought to defend?" Uh, I thought TRUTH was a "statement", not a "defense." Btw, too bad Pence couldn't must up a "defense" for anything
un-American Trump did with HIS foundation, or his campaign manager, or his sons praising Putin, the Russian dictator.... **sigh** He simply ignored
the questions (even those asked by the moderator) and went on the ATTACK!
Kaine, in turn, attacked Trump’s charity — the Donald J. Trump Foundation — for giving a prohibited political gift in 2013, when it sent $25,000 to a
campaign committee supporting Florida Attorney General Pam Bondi (R). The Trump Foundation then filed paperwork with the IRS that omitted any mention
of that gift, and in its place listed a nonexistent gift to a different group with a similar name.
“The foundation was just fined for illegally contributing foundation dollars to a political campaign,” Kaine said. “They tried to hide it by
disguising it as somebody else.”
Earlier Pence attacked....
NOTE: The authors of this Repub-skewed "report" on the proceedings is following the Trump party line by simply "changing the
subject." Why nothing about Pence qwouldn't/COULDN'T answer that FACT.
Earlier Pence attacked Russian president Vladimir Putin as a “small and bullying leader” — a sharp break from Trump’s own attitude toward
Putin, which has been warm and conciliatory.
“The small and bullying leader of Russia is not dictating terms to the United States,” Pence said. “We have got to be able to lean into this with
strong, broad-shouldered American leadership.”
Pence went on to call for U.S. military strikes.....
Again, rather than give Kaine's reply, namely, Trump and his sons were buddies with Putin and the Russians, the authors change the subject.
(to be continued)
| posted on 10.5.2016 at 12:35 AM
Pence went on to call for U.S. military strikes against a key Russian military ally, the regime of Syrian leader Bashar al-Assad, if Assad’s regime
threatened to move against a besieged rebel enclave around Aleppo, Syria.
“The provocations by Russia need to be met with American strength,” Pence said. “The United States of America should be prepared to use military force
to strike military targets of the Assad regime.”
[Inside Trump’s financial ties to Russia and his unusual flattery of Vladimir Putin]
Kaine raised the issue of Trump’s praise for Putin.
“If you don’t know the difference between dictatorship and leadership, then you’ve got to go back to a 5th-grade civics class,” Kaine said.
(sorry, but I've got to laugh!) Pence kept talking about
"strength" but he never said how anything would get done, no programs, no initiatives, nothing. Just - look at what Hillary did wrong! (and even
there, he was lying.... )
After its first hour, the debate between Kaine and Pence was defined by frequent interruptions by Kaine, and — from Pence — a calm, confident disdain,
and a constant struggle to reconcile his positions with those of Trump himself.
Give me a break! Nothing "calm" about him trying to think of those lies and those "hurried" evasions!
Earlier in the evening, Pence seemed to back away from a key piece of Trump’s policy agenda during the Republican primaries, a plan to deport
undocumented immigrants en masse.
“In all six cases, he’s refused to defend his running mate…and yet, he’s asking everybody to vote for somebody that he cannot defend,” Kaine said at
This is why I say the authors of this piece are Repubs. Kaine came up with SIX charges on the REAL tip, yet they mention only the immigration one.
On immigration, Pence, instead, said that Trump would focus first on ending illegal immigration and deporting “criminal aliens.”
“Once we have accomplished all of that…Then we’ll deal with those that remain,” Pence said, while giving no more details.
Key words: while giving no more details. Pence HAD no details on ANYTHING!
Trump said repeatedly during the GOP primary that he wanted to immediately deport 11 million immigrants already in the United States.
[Trump’s latest plan would target at least 5 million undocumented immigrants for deportation]
Kaine tried to tie Pence to Trump’s past statements, saying that “Donald Trump believes in deportation nation. You’ve got to pick your choice.”
“That’s nonsense,” Kaine said. “It’s nonsense.”
See what I mean about "lying?" Btw, notice the authors don't print what Kaine meant about the "pick your choice." Forget what he said, but he
gave Hillary's position of deportation of illegals, THEN constrasted it with Trump's build a wall and make Mexico pay for it. Mr. "tough" guy blowing smoke....
Moderator Elaine Quijano pressed Pence to say if he would follow through on Trump’s previous mass-deportation plan. Pence did not answer directly.
Instead, he said he would seek to work with Democrats to work on an undisclosed answer: “Senator, I’ll work with you when you go back to the Senate,”
he said to Kaine.
Evasion..... Not to mention, again, no plans.
to be continued
| posted on 10.5.2016 at 03:03 PM
While Pence seemed to pivot on Trump’s immigration priorities, he stuck with Trump’s stance on taxes. Pence did not challenge the notion that his
running mate had not paid federal income taxes — saying that Trump had used the tax code “brilliantly.”
[Trump says he ‘brilliantly used’ tax laws to his advantage]
Now I DO remember this. He said Trump used the tax code brilliantly in response to Kaine saying Trump DIDN'T "support" our troops because he
paid NO TAXES! Not even after 9/11.
(but of course the authors left this out )
Pence was asked about a New York Times report, which relied on leaked pages from Trump’s 1995 tax returns, which showed that Trump had claimed a $916
million loss — and might have been able to avoid federal income taxes for up to 18 years. Pence did not make any claim that Trump had paid federal
“His tax returns showed he went through a very difficult time, but he used the tax code the way it was meant to be used, and he used it brilliantly,”
Pence said. “Donald Trump has created tens of thousands of jobs, and he’s paid payroll taxes, property taxes….”
Evasion of the question/deflection of the question - simple refusal to answer or in any way DEAL with the question.
I rest my case.
Kaine of Virginia challenged Pence to say why Trump had not released his tax returns, as other nominees have for 40 years. Pence repeated what Trump
has said — that he would release the tax returns, but only when an IRS audit is over. The IRS has said that there is no legal prohibition on releasing
taxes while they are under audit.
**sigh** Again, an evasion/omission by the Repub authors. Kaine said that other POTUS wannabes had released THEIR tax returns even while being
audited. Kaine was sticking it to his lying, evading azz, even as he over-talked, loud-talked, interrupted. But the authors want to make it seem like
they came out even in the "facts"/HONESTY department.
The two candidates spent the debate’s first half-hour using sharply different strategies: Kaine was aggressive, interrupting and hurling pre-rehearsed
insults at Pence. Pence was calmer, counter-punching with an edge of disdain for Kaine’s tactics.
This is a bold-faced LIE! Pence started the attacks almost immediately.... and over-talking, fast-talking, loud-talking - even
the moderator! - never let up.
“People at home cannot understand either one of you when you speak over each other,” moderator Quijano said at one point, frustrated that the two men
would not let one another talk.
She meant Pence. Everytime she said to stop talking, Kaine shut up - Pence never did.
Earlier, Kaine opened the debate by saying he was “scared” of the prospect that the GOP nominee would become president, while his son is serving in
the Marine Corps.
“We trust Hillary Clinton as president and commander-in-chief,” Kaine said, speaking of himself and his wife. “The thought of Donald Trump as
commander-in-chief scares us to death.”
This is a lie. He said that about 20 minutes into the debate.... after NUMEROUS snide attacks by Pence. Pence, ex-governor of Indiana, one of the
largest KKK states in the union. Oh, and who was not running for governor again because it was widely known that he would be defeated.
Kaine began the debate, held in Farmville, Va., on the attack. He turned two of the first answers from questions about himself or Clinton into attacks
“I can’t imagine how Gov. Pence can defend the insult-driven, selfish, me-first style of Donald Trump,” Kaine said.
The debate, which pitted two nominees with vanilla reputations, turned quickly bitter, with both Kaine and Pence interrupting each other.
“Senator, you and Hillary Clinton would know a lot about an insult-driven campaign. It really is remarkable,” Pence said.
After being interrupted by Kaine again, Pence responded
in a flat tone that belied the bitter tone of the debate. “I musta hit a nerve here,”he said.
Oh, gimme a break! Punk was hostile, petty and a liar. He hit NO nerve!
“You are Donald Trump’s apprentice,” Kaine said at one point, implying that the famously genial Pence had taken on Trump’s aggressive persona.
Came off as a clone of lying, evading Duck Lips to me.
It seemed clear that Kaine had come armed with pre-planned zingers that mocked Trump, with varying degrees of zing.
Real "impartial" reporting, right?
“Do you want a ‘You’re hired’ president under Hillary Clinton, or do you want a ‘You’re fired’ president, under Donald Trump,” Kaine said.
Pence mocked that: “You used that a lot, and I think your running mate used a lot of pre-planned lines.”
Enough with the "Pence "mocked". No, Pence was a mockery of Trump!
The debate began a few minutes after 9 p.m. at Longwood University. The debate came at a moment when the Democratic ticket, led by Clinton, seems to
be pulling away and at a troubling time for Trump.
[Trump hopes to revive campaign after a week of ‘self-sabotage’]
[Trump’s bad week is a ‘nightmare’ for the GOP]
He is reeling from a tumultuous performance in his first debate with Clinton last week, his attacks on a Latina beauty queen, his hostile 3 a.m.
outbursts on social media and new revelations about his taxes.
[If Trump thinks debate prep is for chumps, his advisers can’t save him from himself]
Says it all.
Btw, following are the Repubs who wrote the article:
Abby Phillip, Sean Sullivan and John Wagner contributed to this report.
| posted on 10.5.2016 at 11:08 PM
The Week.com's analysis of the debate (that corroborates my own)
Even more so, we'll talk about the pattern that repeated over and over again between Kaine and Pence, in which Kaine would bring up something
offensive or bizarre or idiotic that Trump had said, whereupon Pence would shake his head and with a "What the heck is he talking about?" expression
on his face deny that Trump had ever said any such thing. Unfortunately for Pence, the fact-checkers are armed and ready, and they'll be noting that
in almost every case, Kaine was right and Pence was wrong. Here are some of the things that Kaine noted Trump had said, and Pence either explicitly
denied or shook his head at:
That Trump called Putin a great leader
That Trump said more nations should get nuclear weapons
That Trump said about nuclear war between other countries, "Good luck, enjoy yourself"
That Trump said he wants a deportation force to round up undocumented immigrants
That Trump said women who have abortions should be punished
That Trump wanted to ban Muslims from entering the United States
That Trump said NATO was obsolete
That Trump was unaware that Russia invaded Ukraine
That Trump said the military is a disaster