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[*] posted on 3.9.2016 at 10:58 PM
Where does the bible say the Garden of Eden was located?

Don't even know why it's necessary to say that the Garden of Eden was in Africa, thus is BLACK HISTORY.... unless there is some...whateva!.... who actually believes it was located in the frozen tundra of Europe. :uglyazzwoman:

Anyhoo, according to the bible (Genesis):

10 And a river went out of Eden to water the garden; and from thence it was parted, and became into four heads.
11 The name of the first is Pison: that is it which compasseth the whole land of Havilah, where there is gold;

12 And the gold of that land is good: there is bdellium and the onyx stone.

13 And the name of the second river is Gihon: the same is it that compasseth the whole land of Ethiopia.

14 And the name of the third river is Hiddekel: that is it which goeth toward the east of Assyria. And the fourth river is Euphrates.

The Blue Nile and White Nile run north to south

Pison = The Blue Nile
Gihon = The White Nile

Hiddekel is The Tigris River and the Euphrates is the same as it is today.

Biblical scholars want to debate the location of the Garden, however, we KNOW it's in AFRICA since even Genesis says that it encompasses the whole of ETHIOPIA. Same Ethiopia today as in biblical times. Ethiopia, not France, or England, or Scandinavia.... Ethiopia, Africa. All of Ethiopia was enclosed within the Garden of Eden, per the bible.

From wiki:
Nile runs north to south

Condensed from Wikipedia article on The Nile River

The Nile flows through these modern-day Countries:

Ethiopia, Sudan, Egypt, Uganda, Congo-Kinshasa, Kenya, Tanzania, Rwanda, Burundi, South Sudan, Eritrea
(Not one European or even present-day Arab country in the bunch)

The Nile is a major north-flowing river in northeastern Africa, generally regarded as the longest river in the world.[2] It is 6,853 km (4,258 miles) long. The Nile is an "international" river as its water resources are shared by eleven countries, namely, Tanzania, Uganda, Rwanda, Burundi, Congo-Kinshasa, Kenya, Ethiopia, Eritrea, South Sudan, Sudan and Egypt.[3] In particular, the Nile is the primary water source of EgyptandSudan.[4]

The Nile has two major tributaries, the White Nile and Blue Nile. The White Nile is considered to be the headwaters and primary stream of the Nile itself. The Blue Nile, however, is the source of most of the water and silt. The White Nile is longer and rises in the Great Lakes region of central Africa, with the most distant source still undetermined but located in either Rwanda or Burundi. It flows north through Tanzania, Lake Victoria, Uganda and South Sudan.

The Blue Nile begins at Lake Tana in Ethiopia[7] and flows into Sudan from the southeast. The two rivers meet near the Sudanese capital of Khartoum.

The northern section of the river flows north almost entirely through the Sudanese desert to Egypt, then ends in a large delta and empties into the Mediterranean Sea. (Again, not one European country among 'em. :whistle: )

Above Khartoum the Nile is also known as the White Nile. At Khartoum the river is joined by the Blue Nile. The White Nile starts in equatorial East Africa, and the Blue Nile begins in Ethiopia. Both branches are on the western flanks of the East African Rift.


The source of the Nile is Lake Nyanza (formerly Lake Victoria)

The source of Nile from the underwater spring at the neck of Lake Victoria, Jinja.

Gish Abay is reportedly the place where the "holy water" of the first drops of the Nile develop.[20]

Formerly Lake Tanganyika drained northwards along the African Rift Valley into the White Nile, making the Nile about 1,400 kilometers (870 mi) longer, until it was blocked in Miocene times by the bulk of the Virunga Volcanoes.

In Uganda

The Nile leaves Lake Nyanza (Victoria) at Ripon Falls near Jinja, Uganda, as the Victoria Nile.... The lake it self is on the border of DR Congo, but the Nile is not a border river at this point. After leaving Lake Albert, the river continues north through Uganda and is known as the Albert Nile.

In South Sudan

The river flows into South Sudan just south of Nimule.... joins at a small lagoon called Lake No, after which the Nile becomes known as the White Nile, from the whitish clay suspended in its waters. When the Nile floods it leaves a rich silty deposit which fertilizes the soil.

The White Nile enters the enormous swamps of the Sudd region of South Sudan.

In Sudan

Below Renk the White Nile enters Sudan, it flows north to Khartoum and meets the Blue Nile.

In the north of Sudan the river enters Lake Nasser (known in Sudan as Lake Nubia), the larger part of which is in Egypt.

In Egypt

Below the Aswan High Dam, at the northern limit of Lake Nasser, the Nile resumes its historic course.

North of Cairo, the Nile splits into two branches (or distributaries) that feed the Mediterranean: the Rosetta Branch to the west and the Damietta to the east, forming the Nile Delta.


Gihon is the name of the second river mentioned in the second chapter of the biblical Book of Genesis. The Gihon is mentioned as one of four rivers (along with the Tigris, Euphrates, and Pishon) issuing out of the Garden of Eden that branched from a single river within the garden. The name (Hebrew Giħôn גיחון) may be interpreted as "bursting forth, gushing".

The Gihon is described as "encircling the entire land of Cush", a name associated with Ethiopia elsewhere in the Bible or Kush. This is one of the reasons that Ethiopians have long identified the Gihon (Giyon) with the Abay River (Blue Nile), which encircles the former kingdom of Gojjam. From a current geographic standpoint this would seem impossible, since two of the other rivers said to issue out of Eden, the Tigris and the Euphrates, are in Mesopotamia. However, the scholar Edward Ullendorff has argued in support of this identification.[1] The city in the Mesopotamian area which best fits the description is called Kish (derivative of Kush or Cush) located in a plain area (Sumerian 'edin') and resembles an area that is repeatedly flooded by the rivers Euphrates and Tigris.

First-century Jewish historian Josephus associated the Gihon river with the Nile.[5] (if Josephus said it was so, trust, it was so)

The name of one is Pishon; that is the one that encompasses all the land of Havilah, where there is gold. And the gold of that land is good; there is the crystal and the onyx stone.

Rashi, the foremost biblical commentator, identifies the Pishon as the Nile River. The word Pishon, he explains, has the connotation of gushing forth and overflowing, and symbolizes the Nile River, which would overflow and irrigate the land of Egypt. Alternatively, the word Pishon is associated with the Hebrew word pishtan, flax, a reference to the ancient Egyptian flax industry, which was watered by the Nile River. (white nile)

According to this view, the area called Havilah refers to somewhere along the Nile region, perhaps Egypt or Sudan. Egyptians were known to have mined gold and precious stones back in pre-dynastic times, especially in the region known in ancient times as Nubia, modern-day southern Egypt and Sudan.


So there you have it. The Garden of Eden was in Africa and encompassed a vast section of the motherland, completely encircling Ethiopia.... and can't get much blacker than Ethiopia. ;)

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[*] posted on 3.12.2016 at 04:39 PM
For clarification:

The Nile River is split into 2 rivers - the White Nile and the Blue Nile. In biblical times, this 'split' into 2 rivers were called respectively, the Pishon and the Gihon.

The biblical river, Hiddekal, is now called the Tigris unlike the Euphrates which has been called by that name for at least 3,000 years, uninterrupted.

The same is true of Ethiopia, which was NEVER colonized by any European country. Ethiopia fought 2 wars with Fascist Italy who tried to colonize her in the early 20th century, and kicked Benito Mussolini's butt.

:topic: African-Americans volunteered to fight for Ethiopia when she was attacked by Italy. There is a famous brutha (a pilot from Chicago :) ) who flew bomber missions in the Second Italo-Ethiopian (aka the 2nd Italo-Abyssinian) War for Ethiopia.

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[*] posted on 3.12.2016 at 05:15 PM
The Tuskegee Airman known as 'The Brown Condor' who flew for Helaisse Selassie

John Charles Robinson (November 26, 1903 – March 26, 1954) was an American aviator and activist who was hailed as the "Brown Condor" for his service in serving in the Imperial Ethiopian Air Force against Fascist Italy. Robinson pushed for equal opportunities for African-Americans during his early career, and was able to open his own eponymous aviation school in addition to initiating a program for black pilots at his college, the Tuskegee Institute. Robinson's achievements as an aviator were in stark contrast to the limited opportunities for most African-Americans in aviation careers, and were an important factor in reducing racially based prohibitions in the United States. Robinson is sometimes referred to as the "Father of the Tuskegee Airmen" for inspiring this all-black set of pilots who served during the United States' entry into World War II.

source: Wikipedia

Although TOTALLY :topic: I would be remiss not to mention the Trinidadian-born pilot who during the Italian invasion of Ethiopia in 1935, was put in command of the Imperial Ethiopian Air Force by Haile Selassie. He also attended the Tuskegee Airmen's school, however was kicked out for being so "colorful" (he insisted on wearing a colonel's uniform when he didn't hold that rank....) Colorful to the point that after the 2nd Italo-Ethiopia War:


Upon his return to the United States, he was temporarily detained at Ellis Island, over the question of his nationality — British or Ethiopian. Later, after getting into a public fist-fight with fellow African-American aviator John C. Robinson, Julian was ordered to leave the country.

**sigh** Nonethless, the outrageously flamboyant Hubert was an inspiration, a (Marcus) Garveyite, a member of Father Devine's church (in Harlem when he was eventually let back into the country and lived out his life), a loyal friend, a man of courage, devotion and conviction, and a true black nationalist:


The 14 November 1974 issue of Jet Magazine briefly mentions Julian, saying he was then 77 years of age, and was making plans to rescue Haile Selassie, then believed to be held prisoner by the new government of Ethiopia.

RIP brothers John and Julian, sky warriors who answered the call when "Ethiopia reached out her arms....." :cloud:

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