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[*] posted on 5.12.2015 at 05:37 PM
How Liberals Ruined College


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How Liberals Ruined College
College should be a place of new ideas and challenging views. Instead, liberals have made it a place of fear and intimidation.

The root of nearly every free-speech infringement on campuses across the country is that someone—almost always a liberal—has been offended or has sniffed out a potential offense in the making. Then, the silencing campaign begins. The offender must be punished, not just for justice’s sake, but also to send the message to anyone else on campus that should he or she stray off the leftist script, they too might find themselves investigated, harassed, ostracized, or even expelled. If the illiberal left can preemptively silence opposing speakers or opposing groups— such as getting a speech or event canceled, or denying campus recognition for a group—even better.

In a 2014 interview with New York magazine, comedian Chris Rock told journalist Frank Rich that he had stopped playing college campuses because of how easily the audiences were offended. Rock said he realized some time around 2006 that “This is not as much fun as it used to be” and noted George Carlin had felt the same way before he died. Rock attributed it to “Kids raised on a culture of ‘We’re not going to keep score in the game because we don’t want anybody to lose.’ Or just ignoring race to a fault. You can’t say ‘the black kid over there.’ No, it’s ‘the guy with the red shoes.’ You can’t even be offensive on your way to being inoffensive.” Sadly, Rock admitted that the climate of hypersensitivity had forced him and other comedians into self-censorship.

This Orwellian climate of intimidation and fear chills free speech and thought. On college campuses it is particularly insidious. Higher education should provide an environment to test new ideas, debate theories, encounter challenging information, and figure out what one believes. Campuses should be places where students are able to make mistakes without fear of retribution. If there is no margin for error, it is impossible to receive a meaningful education.

Instead, the politically correct university is a world of land mines, where faculty and students have no idea what innocuous comment might be seen as an offense. In December 2014, the president of Smith College, Kathleen McCartney, sent an email to the student body in the wake of the outcry over two different grand juries failing to indict police officers who killed African-American men. The subject heading read “All Lives Matter” and the email opened with, “As members of the Smith community we are struggling, and we are hurting.” She wrote, “We raise our voices in protest.” She outlined campus actions that would be taken to “heal those in pain” and to “teach, learn and share what we know” and to “work for equity and justice.”

Shortly thereafter, McCartney sent another email. This one was to apologize for the first. What had she done? She explained she had been informed by students “the phrase/hashtag ‘all lives matter’ has been used by some to draw attention away from the focus on institutional violence against black people.” She quoted two students, one of whom said, “The black students at this school deserve to have their specific struggles and pain recognized, not dissolved into the larger student body.” The Daily Hampshire Gazette reported that a Smith sophomore complained that by writing “All Lives Matter,” “It felt like [McCartney] was invalidating the experience of black lives.” Another Smith sophomore told the Gazette, “A lot of my news feed was negative remarks about her as a person.” In her apology email McCartney closed by affirming her commitment to “working as a white ally.”

McCartney clearly was trying to support the students and was sympathetic to their concerns and issues. Despite the best of intentions, she caused grievous offense. The result of a simple mistake was personal condemnation by students. If nefarious motives are imputed in this situation, it’s not hard to extrapolate what would, and does, happen to actual critics who are not obsequiously affirming the illiberal left.

In an article in the Atlantic, Wendy Kaminer—a lawyer and free-speech advocate—declared, “Academic freedom is declining. The belief that free speech rights don’t include the right to speak offensively is now firmly entrenched on campuses and enforced by repressive speech or harassment codes. Campus censors don’t generally riot in response to presumptively offensive speech, but they do steal newspapers containing articles they don’t like, vandalize displays they find offensive, and disrupt speeches they’d rather not hear. They insist that hate speech isn’t free speech and that people who indulge in it should be punished. No one should be surprised when a professor at an elite university calls for the arrest of ‘Sam Bacile’ [whomade the YouTube video The Innocence of Muslims] while simultaneously claiming to value the First Amendment.”

On today’s campuses, left-leaning administrators, professors, and students are working overtime in their campaign of silencing dissent, and their unofficial tactics of ostracizing, smearing, and humiliation are highly effective. But what is even more chilling—and more far reaching—is the official power they abuse to ensure the silencing of views they don’t like. They’ve invented a labyrinth of anti-free speech tools that include “speech codes,” “free speech zones,” censorship, investigations by campus “diversity and tolerance offices,” and denial of due process. They craft “anti-harassment policies” and “anti-violence policies” that are speech codes in disguise. According to the Foundation for Individual Rights in Education’s (FIRE) 2014 report on campus free speech, “Spotlight on Speech Codes,” close to 60 percent of the four hundred–plus colleges they surveyed “seriously infringe upon the free speech rights of students.” Only 16 of the schools reviewed in 2014 had no policies restricting protected speech. Their 2015 report found that of the 437 schools they surveyed, “more than 55 percent maintain severely restrictive, ‘red light’ speech codes—policies that clearly and substantially prohibit protected speech.” FIRE’s Greg Lukianoff attributed the slight drop to outside pressure from free-speech groups and lawsuits.

For many Americans the term “speech code” sends shivers up the spine. Yet these noxious and un-American codes have become commonplace on college campuses across the United States. They are typically so broad that they could include literally anything and are subject to the interpretation of school administrators, who frequently fail to operate as honest brokers. In the hands of the illiberal left, the speech codes are weapons to silence anyone—professors, students, visiting speakers—who expresses a view that deviates from the left’s worldview or ideology. Speech that offends them is redefined as “harassment” or “hate speech” both of which are barred by most campus speech codes. At Colorado College, a private liberal arts college, administrators invented a “violence” policy that was used to punish non-violent speech. The consequences of violating a speech code are serious: it can often lead to public shaming, censoring, firings, suspensions, or expulsions, often with no due process.

Many of the incidents sound too absurd to be true. But true they are. Consider, for example, how Yale University put the kibosh on its Freshman Class Council’s T-shirt designed for the Yale-Harvard football game. The problem? The shirt quoted F. Scott Fitzgerald’s line from This Side of Paradise, that, “I think of all Harvard men as sissies.” The word “sissy” was deemed offensive to gay people. Or how about the Brandeis professor who was found guilty of racial harassment—with no formal hearing—for explaining, indeed criticizing, the word “wetbacks.” Simply saying the word was crime enough. Another professor, this time at the University of Central Florida, was suspended for making a joke in class equating his tough exam questions to a “killing spree.” A student reported the joke to the school’s administration. The professor promptly received a letter suspending him from teaching and banning him from campus. He was reinstated after the case went public.

The vaguely worded campus speech codes proliferating across the country turn every person with the ability to exercise his or her vocal cords into an offender in the making. New York University prohibits “insulting, teasing, mocking, degrading or ridiculing another person or group.” The College of the Holy Cross prohibits speech “causing emotional injury through careless or reckless behavior.” The University of Connecticut issued a “Policy Statement on Harassment” that bans “actions that intimidate, humiliate, or demean persons or groups, or that undermine their security or self-esteem.” Virginia State University’s 2012–13 student handbook bars students from “offend[ing] ... a member of the University community.” But who decides what’s “offensive”? The illiberal left, of course.

The list goes on and on. The University of Wisconsin-Stout at one point had an Information Technology policy prohibiting the distribution of messages that included offensive comments about a list of attributes including hair color. Fordham University’s policy prohibited using email to “insult.” It gets worse: Lafayette College—a private university—instituted a “Bias Response Team” which exists to “respond to acts of intolerance.” A “bias-related incident” was “any incident in which an action taken by a person or group is perceived to be malicious ... toward another person or group.” Is it really wise to have a policy that depends on the perception of offense by college-aged students? Other schools have bias-reporting programs encouraging students to report incidents.

Speech codes create a chilling environment where all it takes is one accusation, true or not, to ruin someone’s academic career. The intent or reputation or integrity of the accused is of little import. If someone “perceives” you have said or acted in a racist way, then the bar for guilt has been met. If a person claims you caused them “harm” by saying something that offended them, case closed.

In November 2013, more than two dozen graduate students at UCLA entered the classroom of their professor and announced a protest against a “hostile and unsafe climate for Scholars of Color.” The students had been the victims of racial “microaggression,” a term invented in the 1970s that has been recently repurposed as a silencing tactic. A common definition cited is that racial microaggressions “are brief and commonplace daily verbal, behavioral, or environmental indignities, whether intentional or unintentional, that communicate hostile, derogatory, or negative racial slights and insults towards people of color.” Like all these new categories, literally anything can be a microaggression.

So what were the racial microaggressions that spawned the interruption of a class at the University of California at Los Angeles? One student alleged that when the professor changed her capitalization of the word “indigenous” to lowercase he was disrespecting her ideological point of view. Another proof point of racial animus was the professor’s insistence that the students use the Chicago Manual of Style for citation format (the protesting students preferred the less formal American Psychological Association manual). After trying to speak with one male student from his class, the kindly 79-year-old professor was accused of battery for reaching out to touch him. The professor, Val Rust, a widely respected scholar in the field of comparative education, was hung out to dry by the UCLA administration, which treated a professor’s stylistic changes to student papers as a racist attack. The school instructed Rust to stay off the Graduate School of Education and Information Services for one year. In response to the various incidents, UCLA also commissioned an “Independent Investigative Report on Acts of Bias and Discrimination Involving Faculty at the University of California, Los Angeles.” The report recommended investigations, saying that “investigations might deter those who would engage in such conduct, even if their actions would likely not constitute a violation of university policy.”

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[*] posted on 5.12.2015 at 06:09 PM


Crazy. I remember seeing a long time ago this two character (which I believe was a play) with William H Macy called Oleanna. It was about a kind of goofy professor who get's accused of sexual harassment by an insufferable twit who is failing his course and from what I gather is majoring in 'Womyns Studies'.
I figured this movie was kind of an exaggeration, but I guess it's not anymore. The time to end coddling and start preparing young minds for the real, un-polite, un-politically correct world should be in college.
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College should be a place of new ideas and challenging views. Instead, liberals have made it a place of fear and intimidation.


That's one opinion. My personal experience was that college was a place of conformity and that whereva racism was allowed to exist, it threw it flag of :bs: high!

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The root of nearly every free-speech infringement on campuses across the country is that someone—almost always a liberal—has been offended or has sniffed out a potential offense in the making. Then, the silencing campaign begins. The offender must be punished, not just for justice’s sake,


What's wrong with "justice for justice's sake?" I was under the impression that "justice" was a high and lofty goal for institutions, especially the education institutions of a democratic country. But then, the person who wrote this article clearly has a privileged mindset that feels justice is only for "certain" people.... and blacks ain't among them. And I say "blacks," because as the article progresses, we see that "justice" for black people is the core issue with the author.

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but also to send the message to anyone else on campus that should he or she stray off the leftist script, they too might find themselves investigated, harassed, ostracized, or even expelled.


LOL! Like the student at Duke University who hung a "noose" on a campus tree? The author prefers that colleges send a message that HATE actions are to be tolerated?

Duke University - a bastion of racism?
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If the illiberal left can preemptively silence opposing speakers or opposing groups— such as getting a speech or event canceled, or denying campus recognition for a group—even better.


In other words, if the KKK wants to rally at a private college like Harvard or Yale, or a state college like the University of California or Oklahoma, they should not be "denied campus recognition" by having their "event canceled".... and WITHOUT censure, be allowed to wear their white sheets, pointed hats and spew their hatred for black students on that campus. Yeah. Gotcha!

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In a 2014 interview with New York magazine, comedian Chris Rock told journalist Frank Rich that he had stopped playing college campuses because of how easily the audiences were offended. Rock said he realized some time around 2006 that “This is not as much fun as it used to be” and noted George Carlin had felt the same way before he died. Rock attributed it to “Kids raised on a culture of ‘We’re not going to keep score in the game because we don’t want anybody to lose.’ Or just ignoring race to a fault. You can’t say ‘the black kid over there.’ No, it’s ‘the guy with the red shoes.’ You can’t even be offensive on your way to being inoffensive.” Sadly, Rock admitted that the climate of hypersensitivity had forced him and other comedians into self-censorship.


Then I would suggest that Chris Rock, George Carlin (when he was alive) and other comedians should emulate their hero, the Comedian's Comedian, the one, the only, the GREAT Lenny Bruce who would have skewered any intolerance of his audience for his "politically incorrect" humor, then turned around and heaped scorn on Rock, Carlin's and any other so-called comedians' punk azzes for being too intimidated to speak truth to power - in this case, conformist students. After all, isn't that what the Greats do? Not hide from, but go after the sacred cows of conformity and intolerance? :okaaay:

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This Orwellian climate of intimidation and fear chills free speech and thought.


Chris Rock and George Carlin are quoted examples of the above, i.e., allowing what they see as the "conformist" majority to chill their free speech and thought.

But NOT Lenny Bruce. Lenny would have gone to JAIL to exercise HIS right of free speech.... and did, multiple times!

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On college campuses it is particularly insidious. Higher education should provide an environment to test new ideas, debate theories, encounter challenging information, and figure out what one believes. Campuses should be places where students are able to make mistakes without fear of retribution. If there is no margin for error, it is impossible to receive a meaningful education.


Oh, give it a rest! College students are some of the most ZOMBIE-like conformists in the nation! You don't get "A's" by challenging the professor's pet theories. Your "new ideas" are NOT welcome, either - by professors OR your fellow, uninspired students going along to get along who find your "integrity," your "courage" to be intimidating! Not talking "woulda, coulda, shouldas," but the REAL college experience.

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Instead, the politically correct university is a world of land mines, where faculty and students have no idea what innocuous comment might be seen as an offense.


Which is 99% of them NEVER utter an "original" thought.

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In December 2014, the president of Smith College, Kathleen McCartney, sent an email to the student body in the wake of the outcry over two different grand juries failing to indict police officers who killed African-American men.


Here we go again - first Chris Rock and "that BLACK guy..." now McCartney and "AFRICAN-AMERICAN men." See? It's all about 'let us call them the N word' and be done with it. :smh:

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The subject heading read “All Lives Matter” and the email opened with, “As members of the Smith community we are struggling, and we are hurting.” She wrote, “We raise our voices in protest.” She outlined campus actions that would be taken to “heal those in pain” and to “teach, learn and share what we know” and to “work for equity and justice.”

Shortly thereafter, McCartney sent another email. This one was to apologize for the first. What had she done? She explained she had been informed by students “the phrase/hashtag ‘all lives matter’ has been used by some to draw attention away from the focus on institutional violence against black people.”


BLACK, again. :coffee:

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She quoted two students, one of whom said, “The black students at this school deserve to have their specific struggles and pain recognized, not dissolved into the larger student body.”


SILENCE, you... liberal! To hayle with #BLACKLIVESMATTER! So what if she's CO-OPTING the hash tag? We're WHITE! No black man has any rights a white man must respect thus it is our "privilege" to co-opt any and everything black! Now STFU!

Intimidation much? From the political Right, that is? ;)

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The Daily Hampshire Gazette reported that a Smith sophomore complained that by writing “All Lives Matter,” “It felt like [McCartney] was invalidating the experience of black lives.”
Another Smith sophomore told the Gazette, “A lot of my news feed was negative remarks about her as a person.” In her apology email McCartney closed by affirming her commitment to “working as a white ally.”

McCartney clearly was trying to support the students and was sympathetic to their concerns and issues.


Believe that and there's a bridge in Brooklyn I'd like to sell you. :dolla:

But then, that's the "author's" take on what HE thinks McCarney was doing. Could be she realized the students were RIGHT! That she was WRONG to divert and dilute the redemptive power of a NEEDED slogan and apply it to the privileged....like herself. :dunno:

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Despite the best of intentions, she caused grievous offense.


There was nothing "best" about her intentions when she tried to co-opt the #blacklivesmatter and turn it into meaningless sop.

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The result of a simple mistake


With the above, the author PROVES he knows she was attempting to divert and dilute #blacklivesmatter. A "simple mistake..." :yr:

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was personal condemnation by students. If nefarious motives are imputed in this situation, it’s not hard to extrapolate what would, and does, happen to actual critics who are not obsequiously affirming the illiberal left.


Uh huh. Racists, retroactives, neo-conservatives are put on blast by every major media outlet in the nation when they don't toe the so-called "liberal left" line.... starting with FOX News. :sarcastic:
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In an article in the Atlantic, Wendy Kaminer—a lawyer and free-speech advocate—declared, “Academic freedom is declining. The belief that free speech rights don’t include the right to speak offensively is now firmly entrenched on campuses and enforced by repressive speech or harassment codes.



Beginning with repression of the offensive speech of the KKK at black colleges and universities.

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Campus censors don’t generally riot in response to presumptively offensive speech, but they do steal newspapers containing articles they don’t like, vandalize displays they find offensive, and disrupt speeches they’d rather not hear. They insist that hate speech isn’t free speech and that people who indulge in it should be punished.


There's a job entitled "Campus censor?" Whateva. The author is of the opinion to: Don't disrupt KKK speeches, don't shun students who wear swastika armbands and pass petitions to ban any mention of the holocaust from textbooks, embrace NAMBLA (National Association of Man-Boy Love) recruiters to give their perverted philosophy on the best way to rape baby boys, etc. **sigh**

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No one should be surprised when a professor at an elite university calls for the arrest of ‘Sam Bacile’ [who made the YouTube video The Innocence ofMuslims] while simultaneously claiming to value the First Amendment.”


Haven't seen the video, but note - Muslims, another minority hated by the majority white folk who want to give each other an audience on college campuses to spew that hatred. :sarcastic:

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On today’s campuses, left-leaning administrators, professors, and students are working overtime in their campaign of silencing dissent, and their unofficial tactics of ostracizing, smearing, and humiliation are highly effective. But what is even more chilling—and more far reaching—is the official power they abuse to ensure the silencing of views they don’t like. They’ve invented a labyrinth of anti-free speech tools that include “speech codes,” “free speech zones,” censorship, investigations by campus “diversity and tolerance offices,” and denial of due process.


Examples, please?

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They craft “anti-harassment policies” and “anti-violence policies” that are speech codes in disguise.


"You can run, you can hide, but biitch! Fucc you! E'ertime I see you, Imma yell: Fucc you!" should be "protected" speech on college campuses.

The video of Ray Rice knocking his future wife out, then dragging her unconscious body out of the elevator by the feet and dumping her in the hallway, should be shown at comedy festivals on campus under Freedom of Speech policies.

Sarcasm folks. :roll:
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According to the Foundation for Individual Rights in Education’s (FIRE) 2014 report on campus free speech, “Spotlight on Speech Codes,” close to 60 percent of the four hundred–plus colleges they surveyed “seriously infringe upon the free speech rights of students.” Only 16 of the schools reviewed in 2014 had no policies restricting protected speech. Their 2015 report found that of the 437 schools they surveyed, “more than 55 percent maintain severely restrictive, ‘red light’ speech codes—policies that clearly and substantially prohibit protected speech.” FIRE’s Greg Lukianoff attributed the slight drop to outside pressure from free-speech groups and lawsuits.


Again, how about some EXAMPLES of anyone "seriously infringing upon the free speech rights of students?" Oh, I forgot - the white student at Duke who hung the noose across the campus tree who was suspended (and has been invited back, I might add). But, alas. Like almost every example the author has chosen to share, BLACKS are the target, the one he wants to crush with ugly, vile words..... and deeds.

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Speech that offends them is redefined as “harassment” or “hate speech” both of which are barred by most campus speech codes.


blah blah blah :bs: right wing propaganda.

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Many of the incidents sound too absurd to be true. But true they are. Consider, for example, how Yale University put the kibosh on its Freshman Class Council’s T-shirt designed for the Yale-Harvard football game. The problem? The shirt quoted F. Scott Fitzgerald’s line from This Side of Paradise, that, “I think of all Harvard men as sissies.” The word “sissy” was deemed offensive to gay people.


The OFFICIAL T-shirt of the Freshman Class Council at Yale scorns the men of Harvard as "sissies?" Can't imagine why the administration wouldn't think that a STERLING representation of the quality of their Yale student body. What institution of HIGHER learning wouldn't want to be known as school whose students scorn "sissies???"

Btw, just from his championing of Yale-ees "teasing" Harvard students by calling them "sissies," the author is showing himself to be not only a white male, but an old white male!

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Or how about the Brandeis professor who was found guilty of racial harassment—with no formal hearing—for explaining, indeed criticizing, the word “wetbacks.” Simply saying the word was crime enough. Another professor, this time at the University of Central Florida, was suspended for making a joke in class equating his tough exam questions to a “killing spree.” A student reported the joke to the school’s administration. The professor promptly received a letter suspending him from teaching and banning him from campus. He was reinstated after the case went public.


Every single example has a "backstory" that is not being told. The incidents, on their face, no one would think twice of. In short, the author is committing the "Sin of Omission," and giving us the STRAWMAN version of what actually went down.

Enough. If anyone wants to defend any part of this racist, neo-con's article, please, I'd love to debate it with you.




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[*] posted on 5.20.2015 at 06:57 PM


I think college students should not only be able to listen to points of view that are different from their own, but should welcome hearing divergent points of view, if for no other reason than the chance to refute every point offered.

There were examples given above of NAMBLA and the KKK. How about Condileeza Rice? Should she have been dis-invited, as students and some professors demanded, as commencement speaker at Rutgers?
Students have the right to do what they wish, and people have the right to their opinions, but it seems to me many of these students want to not only shield themselves from hearing opinions counter to theirs, but want to prevent others from doing the same.
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[*] posted on 5.20.2015 at 10:23 PM


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I think college students should not only be able to listen to points of view that are different from their own, but should welcome hearing divergent points of view, if for no other reason than the chance to refute every point offered.


Why do you think college students are different from everybody else? I mean, I know of VERY few people, in general, who wish to hear points of view that "diverge" from their own, much less WELCOME them!

"Hello, members of the Greenfield Lesbian Gay Bi-sexual Transgender society. You're all going to hell. The bible says so. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if someone came here in a Green Hornet's suit and opened fire on you abominations before God."

"Hi there, ragheads! See you've decided to invade good Christian society with your anti-God, Allah Akbar, terrorist selves. But that's okay. Just like we got your God-hating kin in Boston and are going to fry the young one, your number is coming. Oh, yes it is!" :yes:

"Hey! Why are those jiggaboos in here! White man can't have NOTHING less'n black is beautiful shows up. Well, I say take your black beauty butts back to Africa!"

"Thank you for inviting me to speak on the falling height of the American male. As you know, it's a problem when... well, Randy Newman said it best:

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Short people got no reason
Short people got no reason
Short people got no reason
To live

They got little bitty hands
And little bitty eyes
And they walk around
Tellin' great big lies
They got little bitty noses
And tiny little teeth

Short people got no reason to live!

"Well, uh, thank you Mr. Insanity. While I'm sure many would disagree about short people not having any reason to live, this is NOT a "liberal" college where we 'stifle' opposing opinions on whether short people, or ANY group of people, should live or die. You may rest assured that your position is more important than our students' feelings or any fallout to those students who are height challenged, from bullies you've just given a green light to harass, thus you will always have a platform for your ignorance here at Ding Dong School."

"Yo! You......" :coffee:

Yea, betcha a bunch of those students would love to invite speakers of the above ilk to speak at their college gatherings. To hear opposing POVs, ya know?

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There were examples given above of NAMBLA and the KKK. How about Condileeza Rice? Should she have been dis-invited, as students and some professors demanded, as commencement speaker at Rutgers?


Since Publicans are favs at Rutgers, I have no idea why she was invited, then dis-invited to speak there. She's not a member of NAMBLA or the KKK is she? :dunno:

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Students have the right to do what they wish, and people have the right to their opinions, but it seems to me many of these students want to not only shield themselves from hearing opinions counter to theirs, but want to prevent others from doing the same.


Yea, know what you mean. Like some YT coming onto the CL and posting a photo-shopped picture of an African boy sticking his head up inside an elephant's azz. It was wrong of the moderator to delete the picture and Yt's caption beneath it. Just because she didn't like his opinion of black people on a black message board (or anywhere else, prolly) doesn't mean other CL members should be shielded from seeing the photo-shopped picture and reading the deprecating caption beneath it. Shame on her.




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The closing of the American mind indeed.

The thing with hearing views that challenge one's beliefs is they might be surprised and actually learn something or find they are not as far apart as they previously feared.
But they'll never know it without allowing the speech to happen.
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The closing of the American mind indeed.

The thing with hearing views that challenge one's beliefs is they might be surprised and actually learn something or find they are not as far apart as they previously feared.
But they'll never know it without allowing the speech to happen.


In other words, even an idiot can tell you something you don't know. But we're not talking idiots on the street. We're talking college students, thus an idiot like Dr. Shockley and Univ. of California at Berkeley professor Jensen with their garbage "science" theory on the INNATE intellectual inferiority of black people being given a platform to showcase their ignorance.... to the peers of the black students already struggling with racism at any university. For ex., in one of my classes, the professor asked me to stay after class following a test.... whereupon she told me she'd given me a "B" but to please, not copy Ms Slowenski's paper next time. Ms Slowenski whom I informed her, obviously copied off MY test paper.

Sorry, but as one who not only reads critically but applies what I read to the real world, I don't buy the racist garbage of the OP or the old white man neo-con who wrote it.




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Good for the President.

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"I’ve heard of some college campuses where they don’t want to have a guest speaker who is too conservative, or they don’t want to read a book if it had language that is offensive to African Americans or somehow sends a demeaning signal towards women,” Obama said Monday while speaking at a town hall meeting at North High School in Des Moines. “I’ve got to tell you, I don’t agree with that either -- that you when you become students at colleges, you have to be coddled and protected from different points of view. Anybody who comes to speak to you and you disagree with, you should have an argument with them, but you shouldn’t silence them by saying you can’t come because I’m too sensitive to hear what you have to say.”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/09/15/obama-says-liberal-c...

No, I'm not surprised he holds this view too. These kiddies will be (and many are now) unprepared for the harsh realities of the real world, that doesn't give two craps about their sensitivities to all that is considered un-PC.


And what Ben Carson is proposing, btw, is an end run around free speech, but from the other side.
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Good for the President.

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"I’ve heard of some college campuses where they don’t want to have a guest speaker who is too conservative, or they don’t want to read a book if it had language that is offensive to African Americans or somehow sends a demeaning signal towards women,” Obama said Monday while speaking at a town hall meeting at North High School in Des Moines. “I’ve got to tell you, I don’t agree with that either -- that you when you become students at colleges, you have to be coddled and protected from different points of view. Anybody who comes to speak to you and you disagree with, you should have an argument with them, but you shouldn’t silence them by saying you can’t come because I’m too sensitive to hear what you have to say.”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/09/15/obama-says-liberal-c...

No, I'm not surprised he holds this view too. These kiddies will be (and many are now) unprepared for the harsh realities of the real world, that doesn't give two craps about their sensitivities to all that is considered un-PC.


And what Ben Carson is proposing, btw, is an end run around free speech, but from the other side.


Is that why he's done everything from cry crocodile tears for white people being shot to issuing an executive order for 5 million illegal aliens to stay in the country, to hiring a transgender as an intern in the White House..... yet nothing for black people? Too busy worrying about the KKK call....

Oh! My bad. That's right. He's a monkey, his wife's a gorilla, and his 2 daughters are sluts.

Free speech is a beautiful thing. Betcha like Steve Harvey, the first gay/illegals President don't care 'bout and he don't TALK about no slavery! :po:




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I think college students should not only be able to listen to points of view that are different from their own, but should welcome hearing divergent points of view, if for no other reason than the chance to refute every point offered.

There were examples given above of NAMBLA and the KKK. How about Condileeza Rice? Should she have been dis-invited, as students and some professors demanded, as commencement speaker at Rutgers?
Students have the right to do what they wish, and people have the right to their opinions, but it seems to me many of these students want to not only shield themselves from hearing opinions counter to theirs, but want to prevent others from doing the same.



Interesting defense of the KKK's right to speak at universities. What about the right of professor's to their livelihood when their 'speech' is offensive to Jews?

Steven Salaitas from lured from a tenured position at one college to become a professor at a more prestigious university. After he quit his FOR-LIFE job and moved to Illinois, the University fired him. Seems he took the Palestinian side on an issue. Wealthy Jewish donors threatened to pull their money from the University of Illinois, Champaign-Urbana (a STATE university!) so he was out of a job and his family was left without a bread winner.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/commentary/ct-steven-salaita-tenur...

So, is it "liberals" who ruined college.... or the right-wing? Will you condemn wealthy Jews like you condemn students and professors for censorship? What about the POTUS you referenced as being in tune with your thought - think he'll condemn the Jewish donors for attempting to "stifle" speech THEY don't like?

Uh huh. I didn't think so. :coffee:




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Another in a long line of students embracing censorship of ideas and free expression, when those ideas do not match what some have deemed the correct position to hold, in this instance, on BLM.

The short version is a student run newspaper at Weslyan published an editorial by one of it's staff writers (who is white) that criticized, however mildly, some of the tactics of the Black Lives Matters movement. A hue and cry then ensued.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/wesleyan-newspaper-black-lives-matter_560...
http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/2015/09/22/wesleyan-students-a...
https://reason.com/blog/2015/09/22/wesleyan-black-lives-matter-group-vows-t

It's depressing to think that these are college students that not only cannot tolerate a view that differs from their own, but want to punish those who dare possess and express a different view. The budget for this Weslyan student run newspaper has been cut by 2/3rds, by a vote of the student council. This should send a chill through any journalism student contemplating writing a on controversial subject and daring to express an editorial opinion.

My opinion is it was wrong for the paper to even apologize. Apologize for what? Publishing one writers essay? What should have happened is the people who opposed the writers view write down why the writer is wrong and ask the editors to publish a response.
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Another in a long line of students embracing censorship of ideas and free expression, when those ideas do not match what some have deemed the correct position to hold, in this instance, on BLM.

The short version is a student run newspaper at Weslyan published an editorial by one of it's staff writers (who is white) that criticized, however mildly, some of the tactics of the Black Lives Matters movement. A hue and cry then ensued.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/wesleyan-newspaper-black-lives-matter_560...
http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/2015/09/22/wesleyan-students-a...
https://reason.com/blog/2015/09/22/wesleyan-black-lives-matter-group-vows-t

It's depressing to think that these are college students that not only cannot tolerate a view that differs from their own, but want to punish those who dare possess and express a different view. The budget for this Weslyan student run newspaper has been cut by 2/3rds, by a vote of the student council. This should send a chill through any journalism student contemplating writing a on controversial subject and daring to express an editorial opinion.

My opinion is it was wrong for the paper to even apologize. Apologize for what? Publishing one writers essay? What should have happened is the people who opposed the writers view write down why the writer is wrong and ask the editors to publish a response.



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So, is it "liberals" who ruined college.... or the right-wing? Will you condemn wealthy Jews like you condemn students and professors for censorship? What about the POTUS you referenced as being in tune with your thought - think he'll condemn the Jewish donors for attempting to "stifle" speech THEY don't like?



Or should I also repeat for the chicken-isht of heart when it comes to Jews:

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Uh huh. I didn't think so. :coffee:



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I think college students should not only be able to listen to points of view that are different from their own, but should welcome hearing divergent points of view, if for no other reason than the chance to refute every point offered.

There were examples given above of NAMBLA and the KKK. How about Condileeza Rice? Should she have been dis-invited, as students and some professors demanded, as commencement speaker at Rutgers?
Students have the right to do what they wish, and people have the right to their opinions, but it seems to me many of these students want to not only shield themselves from hearing opinions counter to theirs, but want to prevent others from doing the same.



Interesting defense of the KKK's right to speak at universities. What about the right of professor's to their livelihood when their 'speech' is offensive to Jews?

Steven Salaitas from lured from a tenured position at one college to become a professor at a more prestigious university. After he quit his FOR-LIFE job and moved to Illinois, the University fired him. Seems he took the Palestinian side on an issue. Wealthy Jewish donors threatened to pull their money from the University of Illinois, Champaign-Urbana (a STATE university!) so he was out of a job and his family was left without a bread winner.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/commentary/ct-steven-salaita-tenur...

So, is it "liberals" who ruined college.... or the right-wing? Will you condemn wealthy Jews like you condemn students and professors for censorship? What about the POTUS you referenced as being in tune with your thought - think he'll condemn the Jewish donors for attempting to "stifle" speech THEY don't like?

Uh huh. I didn't think so. :coffee:



Your link asks for a subscription. Could you just paste the story here?
And I NEVER defended the right of the KKK to speak on any college campuses. I never wrote anything like that.
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I think college students should not only be able to listen to points of view that are different from their own, but should welcome hearing divergent points of view, if for no other reason than the chance to refute every point offered.

There were examples given above of NAMBLA and the KKK. How about Condileeza Rice? Should she have been dis-invited, as students and some professors demanded, as commencement speaker at Rutgers?
Students have the right to do what they wish, and people have the right to their opinions, but it seems to me many of these students want to not only shield themselves from hearing opinions counter to theirs, but want to prevent others from doing the same.



Interesting defense of the KKK's right to speak at universities. What about the right of professor's to their livelihood when their 'speech' is offensive to Jews?

Steven Salaitas from lured from a tenured position at one college to become a professor at a more prestigious university. After he quit his FOR-LIFE job and moved to Illinois, the University fired him. Seems he took the Palestinian side on an issue. Wealthy Jewish donors threatened to pull their money from the University of Illinois, Champaign-Urbana (a STATE university!) so he was out of a job and his family was left without a bread winner.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/commentary/ct-steven-salaita-tenur...

So, is it "liberals" who ruined college.... or the right-wing? Will you condemn wealthy Jews like you condemn students and professors for censorship? What about the POTUS you referenced as being in tune with your thought - think he'll condemn the Jewish donors for attempting to "stifle" speech THEY don't like?

Uh huh. I didn't think so. :coffee:



Your link asks for a subscription. Could you just paste the story here?
And I NEVER defended the right of the KKK to speak on any college campuses. I never wrote anything like that.



I have no subscription. :dunno: Nonetheless, just google his name. The story is found in more than one place.

As for your not defending the right of the KKK to speak on any college campuses, you most certainly did when you defend the right of right-wing hate groups - of which the KKK is a leading one - to speak on ALL college campuses.




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Bull. Quote where I advocated or defended the right of any "hate group", Right leaning or otherwise to speak on college campuses. You are the one who brought up the KKK and NAMBLA way up there.

I am advocating that young people open their minds to ideas that may run counter to their own beliefs, so they can either learn to defend those beliefs, or come to understand that what they thought was true maybe really had no foundation at all. In any case, they will never know without allowing those counter ideas to be heard.

And yes while there are examples of conservatives protesting and trying to shut down speech, there are many more of liberals doing the same thing. These are people, many of whom are older, who should know better. What happened to 'Liberalism' being about open mindedness and tolerance of ideas?
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