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pissed.gif posted on 9.17.2007 at 07:32 PM
Wearing baggy Pants below the waste, Criminal or not?


It has been said that the road to hell was paved with good intentions. Our intent can sometime account for something but often it accounts for nothing more than seeking to lesson the impact of our actions. I think back to the crack epidemic that destroyed our communities all across this country from the early to mid 1980’s through the 1990’s. In an effort to stop drug dealers from practicing their genocidal hustle of selling crack cocaine in our communities we sought out police and judicial support in helping ensure that those who were caught selling this poison spent sometime in jail versus being arrested and right back on the streets a few days later selling crack again. So through protest and tirades this government was more than happy to come up with mandatory sentencing which sounded good and from the perspective of many of those who seen drug dealing as the root of many problems in our community, it was the answer to their prayers. To the credit of many of our conscious brothers and sisters they were opposed to these sentencing guidelines from the start, however their objections fell on deaf ears and in 1986 the evil one Ronald Regan signed into law one of the most egregious and racist laws enacted in the last 25 years. All of us are familiar with or should be familiar with “The Anti-Drug Abuse Act of 1986” that made being caught with 5 grams of crack (the drug of choice for black folk) a guaranteed five year sentence while it took 500 grams of powder cocaine (the drug of choice for white folk) to get the same sentence. Mind you, 500 grams of powder cocaine when cooked and turned into crack can make well over 80 packages of 5 grams of crack cocaine.

To understand why this law was enacted you have to understand what was happening across America during this time. Len Bias had recently died from drug use and the Democrats who controlled congress was being accused of being soft on crime thus they moved to prove they were not soft on crime at all by passing this legislation and of course we can not forget that Tip O’Neil the speaker of the house at the time was from Boston where Len Bias had recently been drafted to play. So in the mist of all of this and complaints from the Black community about rising murder and crime The Anti-Drug Abuse Act of 1986 was passed without debate, without any experts being called in to testify, without the consultation of judges or the bureau of Prisons. The sentencing guidelines enacted by this law were sold as a way of going after the big drug traffickers but it was known that traffickers do not deal in such small amounts of drugs, further more traffickers did not traffic crack; they trafficked powder cocaine. Due mostly to these laws and other drug laws the incarcerations of Black folk in America increased from 288,800 in 1984 to 635,000 in 1994.

So today we are bombarded with reports and statistics that tells us one in three black males are some how involved in the justice system, be it in jail, on parole or simply Black in America. The lessons are clear and one would think we would be too smart and too sophisticated to make similar mistakes today by supporting laws, legislation and ideas that only seeks to inject more of our youth into the Criminals’ Criminal Justice System. Unfortunately I come today with bad news, we are not that smart, and we are not that sophisticated because we are buying into the lie that somehow baggy pants worn below the waste is criminal

The similarity in the hysteria surrounding the wearing of baggy pants below the waste is ominously similar to the hysteria surrounding drug use and selling in the 1980’s. The difference of course being that wearing baggy pants below the waste is not a violent act, but when you link it to rap music that degrades women, celebrate criminality, refer to black folk as niggers, promote no snitching and have very little redeeming qualities about it, you have the makings of hysteria that can convince the smartest amongst us that wearing of baggy pants below the waste is criminal and somehow speaks to the intelligence of our youth and by proxy links them to crime. Simply put, if your pants are hanging below your waste, you are more than likely to degrade women, call black folk niggers, celebrate criminality and promote no snitching which makes you a criminal worthy of being locked up; does that make sense to you? Me neither! However, it is believed apparently in some circles that the solution to the aforementioned pathologies is of course to have young men to pull their pants up and since they are unwilling to do it when asked, laws must be passed to protect the men and women in this great and decent society from these young men with saggy pants that on occasion shows their underwear.

We can not drop the ball on this issue nor can we sit passively by as laws are passed that seeks to inject more of our youth into the criminal justice system by criminalizing their style of dress. When the wearing of baggy pants below the waste can be reason enough to lock a young man up for 60 days and fine him five hundred dollars, I can say without question or contradiction, reason has been abandoned. If we fail to see that these laws are racist and that they will only lead to that stat about one and three to jump to two in three, then when the smoke clears blame will be placed and rightfully so, at our feet because we know better today and should be immune to white folk trickery and money making schemes to lock more of our youth up to support their stock marketed prison industrial complex.




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[*] posted on 9.20.2007 at 10:47 AM


Plain and simple, I am wayyyy past tired of seeing young men and grown men wearing their pants down below their behinds.

I do not view this as racist at all.
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This is having a sense of decency and being respectful of yourself and the people around you.
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Now whose fault is it that it is most of OUR people doing it> In most cases it is our own low standards and those videos and artists that promote it to the younger audiences.




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[*] posted on 9.22.2007 at 03:19 PM


Not a criminal or racist act....but I want to rip my eyes out each time I see that tired/lame/dirty lookin'/dirty drawls look. :okaaay:



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[*] posted on 9.23.2007 at 09:11 PM


I will not waste time debating if the laws are racist or not because it does not matter if the law itself is racist, what matters is the effects of the law. Thus when you see them marching thousands of young black men to jail thus throwing them into the criminal justice system because of their style of dress it will be easy to see how this law is in fact racist. What is more important is will we co-sign laws to throw young men in jail for their style of dress, a victimless crime, no less?



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[*] posted on 9.23.2007 at 09:19 PM


I don't know if it's criminal, but it's tacky as ll get out. The Orthopedic surgeons are going to make a ton of money as these guys age. Putting their hips and knees out from walking around like slew-footed ducks trying to keep their pants up. And the Podiatrist will be in on it too. These guys messing up their feet trying to keep shoes on that are three sizes too big.



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[*] posted on 9.23.2007 at 09:33 PM


How could you not know that a style of dress is not criminal? If tacky was a reason to lock folk up for 60 days and fine them 500$, there would be tons of folk in jail for tackiness. Maybe we should go after those who we consider corny as well, I find it very difficult to be around corny people, lets lock them up!



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[*] posted on 9.23.2007 at 10:07 PM


No, I don't think you should lock people up for looking stupid. But if you have city ordinances against having your butt hanging out and you choose to let your butt hang out anyway, it's on you.
Now I think to pass such a law is kind of silly, but hey, next thing you know instead of having their underwear show, they will be showing their naked butt. These people now a days are just crazy that way.




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[*] posted on 9.24.2007 at 12:14 AM


Not criminal.

But it is something we should get a handle on within our own communities.




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[*] posted on 9.24.2007 at 01:11 AM


not

i think if they're going to ban baggy jeans or lock people up for them.they should lock women up who wear low-riders and show their thongs to everyone.perhaps they can make an assumption about women..who wear low-riders and show their thongs.
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[*] posted on 9.24.2007 at 07:58 AM


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No, I don't think you should lock people up for looking stupid. But if you have city ordinances against having your butt hanging out and you choose to let your butt hang out anyway, it's on you.
Now I think to pass such a law is kind of silly, but hey, next thing you know instead of having their underwear show, they will be showing their naked butt. These people now a days are just crazy that way.


HomeGirl, I know it may have been some time since you took a critical thinking class but you should know that in most if not all critical thinking classes the students are instructed on Fallacies. Your argument here is a simple yet classic fallacy referred to as the slippery slope. There is no precedent or logical reason to conclude that young men will start showing their naked buttocks next because they are now showing their under wear. It would be similar to me concluded that women who go to the grocery store in their pajamas will soon start to frequent grocery aisles in only their panties. Furthermore stating a law is silly does not address the potential impact of such a law nor does it speak to the lack of reasoning or thought as to why a law would be constructed to lock young men up because of their style of dress.




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[*] posted on 9.24.2007 at 08:58 AM


Wearing your pants a little bit below your waist, like a touch over the top of your boxers is fine, but I'm sorry, wearing your pants literally under your azz is disgraceful



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[*] posted on 9.24.2007 at 09:32 AM


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No, I don't think you should lock people up for looking stupid. But if you have city ordinances against having your butt hanging out and you choose to let your butt hang out anyway, it's on you.
Now I think to pass such a law is kind of silly, but hey, next thing you know instead of having their underwear show, they will be showing their naked butt. These people now a days are just crazy that way.


HomeGirl, I know it may have been some time since you took a critical thinking class but you should know that in most if not all critical thinking classes the students are instructed on Fallacies. Your argument here is a simple yet classic fallacy referred to as the slippery slope. There is no precedent or logical reason to conclude that young men will start showing their naked buttocks next because they are now showing their under wear. It would be similar to me concluded that women who go to the grocery store in their pajamas will soon start to frequent grocery aisles in only their panties. Furthermore stating a law is silly does not address the potential impact of such a law nor does it speak to the lack of reasoning or thought as to why a law would be constructed to lock young men up because of their style of dress.

All you need to do is look at the way clothing has changed over the century and you will see a slippery slope. The same with morals.
I don't think this is in the debate forum, I stated an opinion, I think the law is silly, if that is not critically thinking enough for you, I could care less.




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[*] posted on 9.24.2007 at 12:10 PM


Well I tell you I was at a Comedy show on Saturday and as we broke for intermissing I saw this woman bend over and ...

Thong tha Thong Thong Thong

Like she was a Cisco fan. If this law took effect how many "Thong's on the loose" scenarios are going to result in Jail?

I think the law is silly and a waste of court resources.
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[*] posted on 9.24.2007 at 12:57 PM


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I think the law is silly and a waste of court resources.


And there you have it. Imagine calling 911 to report a violent and/or serious crime against your person and having to wait for a police response because the cops are busy locking up men and charging them with tackiness. I mean really.

It already takes long enough for the cops to respond in my neighborhood, I really dont see the reasoning behind giving them further excuse to half-ass do their jobs in the instances when it COUNTS. With the ridiculous number of crimes that go unsolved and criminals who never get caught you would think that they'd want to focus their attention on getting rapists and murderers off the streets rather than making criminals out of college students with bad wardrobe tastes.

So wearing baggy pants is disgusting to look at, fine but expressing disgust towards something does not make it criminal.
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[*] posted on 9.24.2007 at 01:18 PM


Not Criminal. I find Over weight people disgusting to look at. Do we lock them up? How about Scary disgusting Weaves? Saggy pants!! How about Saggy azz BOOBS in a white T? What a waste of time.
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