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[*] posted on 4.28.2007 at 08:05 PM
Homosexuality in Pre-Colonial and Ancient Africa


Afrocentrics often deny that homosexuality was a feature of African cultures in ancient times. And more than a few anglicized Native Americans would be shocked to learn that homosexuals were not only common among their tribal ancestors, but were even venerated as being spiritually gifted......

Homosexualty and bisexuality, we now know from modern research, are ubiquitous throughout the world. They exist in all cultures, and at all times in history. Relics of our evolutionary history, homosexuality and bisexuality are very commonly practiced in nearly every culture, whether tolerated or not. The differences among cultures are the openness with which it is practiced.

Ancient Attitudes

In modern cultures, a myth has been spread, mostly by homophobic religious groups, that homosexuality is primarily a modern phenomenon, that it is a chosen orientation, and it is a symptom of moral decline.

Such a notion runs counter to what we know of homosexuality, and what we know of its history and its biological origins. We now know, for example, that most men in ancient Greece and Rome engaged in at least occasional homosexual contact, and a not insignificant number of the marriages consummated in both civilizations were homosexual. We know that homosexuality, though not known by that name, was not only tolerated, but even celebrated in the arts, theater and in cultural activities. The ancients did not view gender as a determining factor of who should love or be married to who; the qualifications related solely to matters of age and biological relationship (incest).

We know that the ancient view of homosexual sex was that it was innocuous, harmless (so long as both parties were fully consenting), and could be as much a symbol of love between the participants as heterosexual sex. Indeed, in most African cultures, mutual masturbation and anal sex engaged in by pre-marriage adolescents was considered to be nothing more than child-play.

Indeed a vast corpus of literature has been left us by the ancients, which celebrates same-sex relationships, and which in many cases is homoerotic. Much of the literature of "straight society" also makes clear, in a variety of ways, that homosexual relationships were widely acknowledged, not considered immoral or "sinful," but rather were considered a normal part of life.

In many "primitive" societies, such as those studied in Africa and the Pacific Islands, the patterns seen are often the same as those seen in ancient Greece and Rome. Adolescent males would often pair-bond, engage in frequent homosexual relations, and exhibit great love for each other, until the time came to become fathers and husbands. They would then make a choice - going on to find (or be assigned) a wife, and abandoning their same-sex partner. The choice was often difficult - and not a few chose to remain with their same-sex partner for the rest of their lives.

Homosexuality in Prehistoric Africa

Our knowledge of homosexuality in prehistoric African cultures is limited by the late-Middle Age European views of Africans, of homosexuality, and of course, the European reason for being in sub-Saharan Africa in the first place - the slave trade. Among the earliest references to it are some of the records of the Inquisition in Brazil. From the Denunciations of Bahia, (1591-1593) comes this thoroughly racist reference to it:

"Francisco Manicongo, a cobbler's apprentice known among the slaves as a sodomite for 'performing the duties of a female' and for 'refusing to wear the men's clothes which the master gave him.' Francisco's accuser added that in Angola and the Congo in which he had wandered much and of which he had much experience, it is customary among the pagan negros to wear a loincloth with the ends in front which leaves an opening in the rear... this custom being adopted by the sodomitic negros who serve as passive women in the abominable sin. These passives are called jimbandaa in the language of Angola and the Congo, which means passive sodomite. The accuser claimed to have seen Francisco Manicongo "wearing a loincloth such as passive sodomites wear in his land of the Congo and immediately rebuked him." (quoted by J. Treveisan, Perverts in Paradise, London, 1986. Elipses are his.)

We can see from such references, that homosexuality was present in Africa from at least the earliest of European contact, and without much doubt, from long before. It wasn't just central Africa, either. While European proprieties made such graphic description of African homosexualities uncommon in their descriptions of Africa, there are enough references to it to know that it was indeed present, and even used as a justification for considering African cultures primitive enough to justify slavery.

Among the last African cultures to be subjugated by Europeans, the Hausa peoples of northern Nigeria and the surrounding countries offer interesting examples of homosexuality among Islmaicized peoples of Africa. Conquered by the British only in 1904, they were studied extensively by British ethnographers within a decade and a half of the arrival of the British - having experienced very limited contact with Europeans in the meantime. These ethnographers included sexual practices, including homosexuality, in their survey. Thus, they give us a unique glimpse into a nearly pristine African Islamic culture.

The Hausa people have terms in their language that are used to describe homosexuals. Two terms are common, 'yan dauda, which is usually translated as "homosexual" or "transvestite" and 'dan dauda, which translates as a homosexual "wife." The 'yan dauda in Hausaland engange in stereotypical professions, much as marginalized gay men in the west often do. In Hausaland, they are often engaged in the sex trade - both as male prostitutes and as 'procurers' for female prostitutes. In the latter role, they do not behave as 'pimps' do in the west, maintaining 'stables' of female prostitutes under their subjugation, but rather simply as go-betweens, arranging, for a fee, liasons for men seeking the commercial charms of female prostitutes. In this role, they often engage as male prostitutes themselves when the opportunity arises.

Among other African tribes, homosexual behavior among premarriage adolescents is common and is not even considered to be sex, since it does not involve procreative potential. In Camaroon, for example, homosexual acts as late as age 17 are considered innocent, not being "true" sexual relations. Such youth consider themselves virgins at marriage, even though they may have considerable homosexual experience in both roles. There are many stories among the Pangwe of Camaroon of men who hate women and prefer the company of men even when offered a large brideprice, of men who court other men, etc. That these behaviors existed within this tribe prior to European contact is evidenced by the richness and number of these stories.

In Zimbabwe, a nation racked by recent homophobic pogroms instituted by its viciously homophobic dictator, Robert Mugabe, there has historically been little known about homosexual behavior among peoples present prior to European contact. Some ethnographers have dishonestly attempted to show that homosexual behavior is a recent innovation encouraged by Europeans to serve their capital interests, in housing large numbers of male Africans together in barracks to serve as labor in the mines.

The reality is that homosexuality existed in Zimbabwe long prior to European contact, just like it did anywhere else in Africa. We know this because the San people had the indiscretion to record their group anal sexual intercourse on rock paintings that date back thousands of years.


The Bantu-speaking peoples of the plateau country were more circumspect, but have admitted to ethnographers that homosexual contact did occur, and was expected of pre-marriage adolescent males.

Court documents from the colonial era from Zimbabwe and South Africa (1920 and 1917 respectively) indicate that among both the Mazoe and Ndebele peoples of Zimbabwe and South Africa respectively, a fine of one beast was levied against persons attempting to engage in sodomy by traditional rulers in pre-colonial times from both tribes. This fine equates to a misdemeanor - evidence that it was not heavily frowned upon, nor particularly uncommon.

Colonial court records also show that prosecution for male homosexuality at the onset of colonial rule amounted to 1.5 percent of criminal cases in Zimbabwe, eventually declining to near zero, while prosecutions for heterosexual crimes, such as indecent assault, rape, etc., rose from almost nothing to significant portions of the criminal dockets. It must be noted that because the 1.5 percent represented unwilling participants in the criminal process, the actual extent of homosexual behavior was certainly much greater, since only those caught in flagrante delicto, those prosecuted with amicus, or those accused by jilted lovers or others with an axe to grind, represent the criminal numbers we see in the records. The actual numbers were certainly much higher. In more than 90 percent of cases, the defendant was an African male accused of assualting another African male or boy. Cases involving Europeans were much more rare.

The notion that this is "a white-man's disease of recent origin" is made laughable by an even cursory examination of the criminal records of colonial Zimbabwe and South Africa. A close qualitative analysis of the early colonial trial transcripts shows that there was often shared property resulting from long-standing cohabitation by the defendant and his accusor. That the courts had to sort out the property details shows that these men had often considered themselves in a de facto marriage prior to their dispute.

Contrary to Mugabe's and other Afrocentrists' assertions, analysis of the colonial court cases shows that the rate of prosecution for homosexual behaviors was highest among the more indigenous peoples (Shona, 17% and Ndebele, 16%), and least among the "industrialized migrants" from elsewhere (about 3% each for Xhosa, Basotho and Zulu). Presumably the latter had simply learned better how to avoid the white man's justice.


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Very interesting.

Long ago there was a thread concerning legalizing homosexual marraige in africa and I, even though against homosexuality myself, tried to make the argument that I was sure homosexuality did exist in Africa. My viewpoint was held as the 'minority'. It was preceived to be European influence which caused the 'perversion' to infiltrate African shores.

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Well, count me in with you! I must be in the 'minority' also.


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I don't buy it!! Being gay is a European thing!

Name for me some gay cultures and societies! Don't tell me nothing about some gay slave who told a story about what they did in his country! Tell me of African gay societies like the Greeks and Romans were openly gay. Give me some evidence or facts on how homosexuality affected African cultures like how the Greeks had to force the men to have babies with the women! These are more lies that cannot be proven. Everything that is documented is documented during Colonial Rule!

Name for me a gay ruler or promonent Black African who was gay like I can name Alexander the Great and King James, etc.

Homosexuality was not excepted in Africa and don't let these gay Krackas push their gay agenda on you.

I read in time magazine once where they said there were gay rams!!!! Give me a Break!
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Homosexuality being "accepted" and existing are two different things.

And, I'm not swayed by any "agenda." I just don't believe that the entire continent of Africa had NO homosexual participation or history before the invasion of the White man.

As vehemently as it is presently opposed and as adamantly as it is denied to have existed in its history, Africa is not exempt from a lifestyle that is ancient in its practice as well as its abhorrence.

The holy books of Christians and Muslims both speak about the sin of homosexuality.




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Homosexuality being "accepted" and existing are two different things.

And, I'm not swayed by any "agenda." I just don't believe that the entire continent of Africa had NO homosexual participation or history before the invasion of the White man.

As vehemently as it is presently opposed and as adamantly as it is denied to have existed in its history, Africa is not exempt from a lifestyle that is ancient in its practice as well as its abhorrence.

The holy books of Christians and Muslims both speak about the sin of homosexuality.


I'm not saying the it never "existed"in Africa but what I am saying is that the fact that it is not openly "accepted" like it is in Europe proves to me that homosexuality didn't originate there!

Homosexuality originated with Europeans just like Beastiality and everything else that comes along with their freakish nature! You will find that in Europe homosexuality was never shunned or looked down upon. They have always accepted homosexuality and they even today notice how the Black community with all of the DL Brothas still don't accept this foolishness! So what does that tell you!
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So much to refute. Where shall I start?

Wisdom, homosexuality exists naturally among all creatures in the animal kingdom... and humans are animals.

The author of this piece knows nothing about Afrocentrism. Afrocentrism means viewing the world through African/black eyes. It has nothing to do with homosexuality. Just how one sees the world and one's place within it.

The "Greeks" had not a gay society. The Spartans had a gay society. Sparta was, in fact, a gay nation.... or more accurately, a gay city-state. While the other city-state, Athens, tolerated homosexuality, she was not.

Not only was homosexuality between consenting adults legal and tolerated in early Grecian and Roman society, so was pedophilia. The Spartans started the boys early, in pre-teen warrior camps. They were even assigned older males to "break them in". One of the greatest Roman Caesars (forget his name - the albino) held orgies for his friends with children, boys and girls, as young as 6 years of age (which was when he first started selling his body for food as an impoverished child). And because it was tolerated by Roman society doesn't mean they approved of it (it wasn't until the turn of the 20th century that pedophilia even became a crime in the U.S.).

The San people reference about group sex being portrayed on thousand year old stone, how do we know that wasn't just some pervert with artistic leanings? A thousand years from now, someone may find a Hustler magazine. Rather stupid of them to assume that is the majority thought on sexuality, now wouldn't it be? Or how about some kiddie porn? Very naive of them to assume it is accepted or even tolerated in our world, don'cha think?

Without corroboration of some kind, everything in the article is opinion, speculation. The only written records provided in corroboration do not have dates and only one name, so those "colonial records" are totally suspect and without foundation.

As for the colonial liar saying h traversed central Africa in the time period mentioned, whites didn't go into central Africa... in the time period mentioned - 1591. Other Africans went into the interior to war upon and capture tribes for the slave trade, not Europeans. What nonsense that silliness about loincloths. Loincloths are skimpy and can be flipped "up" as easily as spread apart!

Sorry, but as far as swaying any conscious black person's feelings with even minimal knowledge of history, about homosexuality in Africa, the OP falls far short of credibility.




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So much to refute. Where shall I start?

Wisdom, homosexuality exists naturally among all creatures in the animal kingdom... and humans are animals.

The author of this piece knows nothing about Afrocentrism. Afrocentrism means viewing the world through African/black eyes. It has nothing to do with homosexuality. Just how one sees the world and one's place within it.

The "Greeks" had not a gay society. The Spartans had a gay society. Sparta was, in fact, a gay nation.... or more accurately, a gay city-state. While the other city-state, Athens, tolerated homosexuality, she was not.

Not only was homosexuality between consenting adults legal and tolerated in early Grecian and Roman society, so was pedophilia. The Spartans started the boys early, in pre-teen warrior camps. They were even assigned older males to "break them in". One of the greatest Roman Caesars (forget his name - the albino) held orgies for his friends with children, boys and girls, as young as 6 years of age (which was when he first started selling his body for food as an impoverished child). And because it was tolerated by Roman society doesn't mean they approved of it (it wasn't until the turn of the 20th century that pedophilia even became a crime in the U.S.).

The San people reference about group sex being portrayed on thousand year old stone, how do we know that wasn't just some pervert with artistic leanings? A thousand years from now, someone may find a Hustler magazine. Rather stupid of them to assume that is the majority thought on sexuality, now wouldn't it be? Or how about some kiddie porn? Very naive of them to assume it is accepted or even tolerated in our world, don'cha think?

Without corroboration of some kind, everything in the article is opinion, speculation. The only written records provided in corroboration do not have dates and only one name, so those "colonial records" are totally suspect and without foundation.

As for the colonial liar saying h traversed central Africa in the time period mentioned, whites didn't go into central Africa... in the time period mentioned - 1591. Other Africans went into the interior to war upon and capture tribes for the slave trade, not Europeans. What nonsense that silliness about loincloths. Loincloths are skimpy and can be flipped "up" as easily as spread apart!

Sorry, but as far as swaying any conscious black person's feelings with even minimal knowledge of history, about homosexuality in Africa, the OP falls far short of credibility.


I feel you Sistah but I still say that these Krackas originated homosexuality! I believe the Greeks had a gay society just like the rest of the devils. I don't give these Krackas no credit at all! After the History we have with them along with the rest of the darker people of the earth is enough to prove to me that these people are pure evil!
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Boy-wives and female husbands : studies in African homosexualities
Murray, Stephen O.

Summary
First in the look at homosexuality in traditional & modern African cultures -- challenging the heterosexism of Afrocentrism. Distributed by Syndetic Solutions, Inc.

Table of Contents
Preface: "All Very Confusing" xi
Africa and African Homosexualities: An Introduction 1
I. Horn of Africa, Sudan, and East Africa
Overview 21
"A Feeling within Me": Kamau, a Twenty-Five-Year-Old Kikuyu 41
Occurrences of Contrary-Sex among the Negro Population of Zanzibar (1899) 63
Mashoga, Mabasha, and Magai: "Homosexuality" on the East African Coast 67
II. West Africa
Overview 91
A 1958 Visit to a Dakar Boy Brothel 111
Male Lesbians and Other Queer Notions in Hausa 115
West African Homoeroticism: West African Men Who Have Sex with Men 129
III. Central Africa
Overview 141
Homosexuality among the Negroes of Cameroon and a Pangwe Tale (1921, 1911) 149
Ganga-Ya-Chibanda (1687) 163
Same-Sex Life among a Few Negro Tribes of Angola (1923) 167
IV. Southern Africa
Overview 173
Homosexuality among the Natives of Southwest Africa (1925-26) 187
"Good God Almighty, What's This!": Homosexual "Crime" in Early Colonial Zimbabwe 197
"When a Woman Loves a Woman" in Lesotho: Love, Sex, and the (Western) Construction of Homophobia 223
Sexual Politics in Contemporary Southern Africa 243
V. Conclusions
Woman-Woman Marriage in Africa 255
Diversity and Identity: The Challenge of African Homosexualities 267
Appendix I African Groups with Same-Sex Patterns 279
Appendix II Organizations of Homosexuality and Other Social Structures in Sub-Saharan Africa 283
Notes 299
Bibliography 325
Index




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The greatest taboo : homosexuality in Black communities
Constantine-Simms, Delroy.

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Twenty-eight powerful, provocative essays from academics andwriters of all ethnic heritages, genders, and sexuality, includingbell hooks, Eric Garber, Seth Clarke Silberman, Gregory Conerly,and Dr. Gloria Wekker -- running from 19th-century slave quartersto postapartheid South Africa, from RuPaul to the Wu Tang Clan,from 1920s Harlem to 1995's Million Man March on Washington --provide a clear-eyed societal, cultural, political, and historicalview of both the transformation and continued repression of blacklesbians and gay men.

The rise of popular black gay fiction writers (James Earl Hardy and E. Lynn Harris, to name two) brings to the forefront the need for a serious examination of this subculture, which has long been made invisible by many in the straight black community. Constantine-Simms's collection of 28 scholarly essays, written primarily by academics, including Bll hooks and M.R. Vendryes, covers a wide range of gay and lesbian topics, from homophobia in popular black music to the gay Harlem Renaissance and African American churches. Four essays on homosexuality in Africa are particularly welcome, considering the inaccessibility of some of this information.




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So much to refute. Where shall I start?

Wisdom, homosexuality exists naturally among all creatures in the animal kingdom... and humans are animals.

The author of this piece knows nothing about Afrocentrism. Afrocentrism means viewing the world through African/black eyes. It has nothing to do with homosexuality. Just how one sees the world and one's place within it.

The "Greeks" had not a gay society. The Spartans had a gay society. Sparta was, in fact, a gay nation.... or more accurately, a gay city-state. While the other city-state, Athens, tolerated homosexuality, she was not.

Not only was homosexuality between consenting adults legal and tolerated in early Grecian and Roman society, so was pedophilia. The Spartans started the boys early, in pre-teen warrior camps. They were even assigned older males to "break them in". One of the greatest Roman Caesars (forget his name - the albino) held orgies for his friends with children, boys and girls, as young as 6 years of age (which was when he first started selling his body for food as an impoverished child). And because it was tolerated by Roman society doesn't mean they approved of it (it wasn't until the turn of the 20th century that pedophilia even became a crime in the U.S.).

The San people reference about group sex being portrayed on thousand year old stone, how do we know that wasn't just some pervert with artistic leanings? A thousand years from now, someone may find a Hustler magazine. Rather stupid of them to assume that is the majority thought on sexuality, now wouldn't it be? Or how about some kiddie porn? Very naive of them to assume it is accepted or even tolerated in our world, don'cha think?

Without corroboration of some kind, everything in the article is opinion, speculation. The only written records provided in corroboration do not have dates and only one name, so those "colonial records" are totally suspect and without foundation.

As for the colonial liar saying h traversed central Africa in the time period mentioned, whites didn't go into central Africa... in the time period mentioned - 1591. Other Africans went into the interior to war upon and capture tribes for the slave trade, not Europeans. What nonsense that silliness about loincloths. Loincloths are skimpy and can be flipped "up" as easily as spread apart!

Sorry, but as far as swaying any conscious black person's feelings with even minimal knowledge of history, about homosexuality in Africa, the OP falls far short of credibility.


I feel you Sistah but I still say that these Krackas originated homosexuality! I believe the Greeks had a gay society just like the rest of the devils. I don't give these Krackas no credit at all! After the History we have with them along with the rest of the darker people of the earth is enough to prove to me that these people are pure evil!

Wisdom, when I wrote about Sparta, I was not writing "belief". It is a historical FACT that Sparta was a homosexual-ruled society. Look, when the young men, already indoctrinted in homosexual practices at their warrior "boot" camps, took wives (to procreate, ok?) on their wedding night, the women went into a darkened room, their heads SHAVED and bodies covered totally in a blanket, erasing all vestiges of femininity. The groom then came into the room, had sex and left. No heterosexual was ever head of a Spartan government!




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Boy-wives and female husbands : studies in African homosexualities
Murray, Stephen O.

Summary
First in the look at homosexuality in traditional & modern African cultures -- challenging the heterosexism of Afrocentrism. Distributed by Syndetic Solutions, Inc.

Table of Contents
Preface: "All Very Confusing" xi
Africa and African Homosexualities: An Introduction 1
I. Horn of Africa, Sudan, and East Africa
Overview 21
"A Feeling within Me": Kamau, a Twenty-Five-Year-Old Kikuyu 41
Occurrences of Contrary-Sex among the Negro Population of Zanzibar (1899) 63
Mashoga, Mabasha, and Magai: "Homosexuality" on the East African Coast 67
II. West Africa
Overview 91
A 1958 Visit to a Dakar Boy Brothel 111
Male Lesbians and Other Queer Notions in Hausa 115
West African Homoeroticism: West African Men Who Have Sex with Men 129
III. Central Africa
Overview 141
Homosexuality among the Negroes of Cameroon and a Pangwe Tale (1921, 1911) 149
Ganga-Ya-Chibanda (1687) 163
Same-Sex Life among a Few Negro Tribes of Angola (1923) 167
IV. Southern Africa
Overview 173
Homosexuality among the Natives of Southwest Africa (1925-26) 187
"Good God Almighty, What's This!": Homosexual "Crime" in Early Colonial Zimbabwe 197
"When a Woman Loves a Woman" in Lesotho: Love, Sex, and the (Western) Construction of Homophobia 223
Sexual Politics in Contemporary Southern Africa 243
V. Conclusions
Woman-Woman Marriage in Africa 255
Diversity and Identity: The Challenge of African Homosexualities 267
Appendix I African Groups with Same-Sex Patterns 279
Appendix II Organizations of Homosexuality and Other Social Structures in Sub-Saharan Africa 283
Notes 299
Bibliography 325
Index


The OP contained no notes, no bibliography, and, considering the TOTAL misinformation on Afrocentrism, IMO is simply opinion.


btw, I am Afrocentrist. I believe homosexuality occurred in pre-European Africa. The author does not know what they are talking about.




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Wisdom, when I wrote about Sparta, I was not writing "belief". It is a historical FACT that Sparta was a homosexual-ruled society. Look, when the young men, already indoctrinted in homosexual practices at their warrior "boot" camps, took wives (to procreate, ok?) on their wedding night, the women went into a darkened room, their heads SHAVED and bodies covered totally in a blanket, erasing all vestiges of femininity. The groom then came into the room, had sex and left. No heterosexual was ever head of a Spartan government!


I believe you but "historical Fact" can be misleading! Depending on what persuasion you recieved it from!

There is no difference to me in the Spartans, Romans or the Greeks! A Kracka is a Kracka. In Africa there was no difference in the Ethiopians, Nubians and Kemites. At the time the devil Herodotus,"Father of History" came to Africa he called all of them Ethiopians because they were so simular.

I never said that Homosexuality didn't exist in Africa but I don't believe that it originated with the Africans! I believe that it originated with Europeans! Their acceptance of it is evidence enough to show that homosexuality is their thing!

The fact that Black people try to keep it hidden and don't accept it show that we know that it is wrong!
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Adam and Eve were Black...and i believe they commited the first sexual sin...cain was the result from that sinful act, he was Black too and he killed his brother Abel....evil has existed for counteless years...but are we to accept evil just because a lot of people are commiting it?

sin is sin...some greater than others...but it is still sin...white folks brought nothing new with their cultures whether good or evil...we are the original man...the first to do good and bad...white folk are just doin what they learned from our cultures...

they have not brought in any new thing to this planet...sin is as old as air...well, maybe not that old...

bless...




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[*] posted on 4.30.2007 at 09:20 PM


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bless...

Adam and Eve were Black...and i believe they commited the first sexual sin...cain was the result from that sinful act, he was Black too and he killed his brother Abel....evil has existed for counteless years...but are we to accept evil just because a lot of people are commiting it?

sin is sin...some greater than others...but it is still sin...white folks brought nothing new with their cultures whether good or evil...we are the original man...the first to do good and bad...white folk are just doin what they learned from our cultures...

they have not brought in any new thing to this planet...sin is as old as air...well, maybe not that old...

bless...



No my Dear Sistah Adam and Eve were white! We are in fact the Original man and when Adam and Eve were PLACED in the Garden we where already here! This is why God told Adam to "REPLENISH" the earth! Not to plenish but replentish because the Original man had already plenished the earth!

So all to the so called "original" sin was commited by the White man!
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